This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. How can anyone with a sound mind say that In Jesus and the apostles day their miracles were accompanied by this nascent WIERDSVILLE? In his absorption, he had not observed that anything had taken place in me. That LIST of what is acceptable behavior for God is what got the Jews CUT OFF of the Vine. acting through Torben, to see if it is from God. What flesh can resist that over time! There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. Grant that we can trust you again . He looked up at me with joy and surprise and, springing to his feet, said, Praise the Lord, John, Jesus has baptized you in the Holy Ghost!. to New Testament Christianity. Finally, Andrew you know I appreciate your zeal and commitment for what you do. It also tells us to test the spirits that claim to act in the Lords name. I hear people say we GLORIFY You, Lord, Glory to the Lord, give GLORY to the Lord, if it GLORIFIES the Lord etc etc. All Rights Reserved. He and his family fled Denmark in 2019, fearing persecution and arrest following a harassment campaign by the government and media. Sndergaard has been held in a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility, in MacClenny, Florida, since the arrest. The gifts that are talked about in the NT are not like a pack of pencils that are doled out 1 to each person. Amen., jda016 Jonathon, at one time B.Johnson of Bethel, denied the deity of Christ Jesus our Lord thereby teaching a false christ, a different Jesus. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). But many of the same practices are done at Johnsons school as well as Joyners school. The only authority I have is through our Lord Jesus and I rely on His word as given to us in scriptures. He said that they needed to be naked before the Lord, or the Lord would not give him prophetic words for them. But I guess repentance is too much to hope for. I honestly dont consider my understanding of this to be fully formed yet (ie, interpreting/understanding scripture) so Im reluctant to even try to discuss it in writing until I have a better grasp of things. Theres a schism in the church; those who believe Acts was for that time only, and those who believe that the empowerment that happened in Acts is for the churchs lifetime until He returns. And, they continued supporting him. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! in Denmark who fully represents the gospel as it should be I find it amazing when you ask to pray for someone, when the Holy Spirit is with you, Ive NEVER had a knock back. OH HOW MUCH EASIER IT IS TO BELIEVE A BOOK, THAN A REAL LIVE PERSON! Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. And indeed we must maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. Friends this is the descent into WIERDSVILLE!!! What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? Jesus is coming soooooon, His return is imminent. At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they raised their voice, saying in the Lycaonian language, The gods have become like men and have come down to us.And they began calling Barnabas, Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker.The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, and wanted to offer sacrifice with the crowds. It didnt work. The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. Just because someone says its true doesnt make it true. This The Last Reformation Torben speaks about is none other than the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) /Latter Rain Movement. Try it you will like it!!! are called to go out and minister in the same, whether it is videoed or not! Do you remember the incident of the woman who touched the hem of Jesus garment? Every valley shall be filled And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough ways smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.. If those like Torden are burdened to go and minister to the streets to glorify the risen Lord, who would prevent it? Torben believes in taking new I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. He was (and is) one of Todd Bentleys biggest supporters. Ultimately, God has to show this to you, not me. David repentance is exactly what Torben preaches. Are they saying that Roman Catholics who speak in tongues are born again as well? Spirit of FIRE enters person and they start to speak in tongues, convulse, jerk, have visions, etc. Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' You missed the entire divine point and purpose of the video- to show that Jesus still uses ordinary , humble, weak nobodies to do his marvelous works. The Cloud of Glory Presence led them by day. They had prayed for sick people before but sometimes God heals and sometimes He just takes them home to glory. It stole this new zealous believers faith, and he stopped seeing such wondrous miracles. POLITICS is RUINING CHRISTIANITY by Andrew Strom, SHOCKING BIBLE STUDY The Lost Foundations by Andrew Strom, YOUNG BELIEVERS HEAL THE SICK Torben Sondergaard. How could a man break 4 to 6 inches of hard sapphire? 1Co 6:11 Leg lengthening WAS AND IS GODS IDEA NOT THE WORLDS IDEA! They are all in a web of deception. Just as God turns unrepentant sinners over to their sins, He will send strong delusion to those who want to be deceived. Foras many of you ashave been baptizedintoChristhave put onChrist. Your important statement, `the simplicity of Christ,` leads us to the very first Key. Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. The lawsuit states the belief that Sndergaard's arrest by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) officerwas based on "anonymous tips" that "originated from (the) Defendant's misinformation.". Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. In early church for a season it was said of the Lords work which became so prevalent , This gospel is spreading to more and more people so that everyone in Asia Minor has heard about it and from that time forward the name of Jesus became greatly feared amoung all the poeple and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world and then the end will come.. What the gentleman from Denmark is doing can to very easily be confused with the frauds and charlatans who claim to have healing ministries. Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. [3] I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. There is NO RECORD of what Jesus did SPECIFICALLY in those 40 days. Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. Sadly, it is no miracle. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. 17 minutes of a guy basically saying be healed in Jesus name and they are better. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. with legs growing out instead of the more impressive healings To date in this generation the world spurns the people of God like people spurn the cheap Elvis impersonators . I can perform this trick myself. The man ran upon the platform and around the room. Again I see Torbens ministry as very specific as it relates to showing the wonders and love of God to non-believers in the street. You can be ashamed of that name if you want but I will gladly bear the reproach of that wonderful name any day! No, because man can not do these things, lest God be in us. How about an ordinary man/woman telling people that they saw and went into HEAVEN and saw all these different many headed beasts and angels and chariots of fire? The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. A glory cloud rose up at Johnsons church (there is even a youtube video of it) which many say was Gods glory falling and others showed it to be just glitter ( I think of Gods glory falling in past revivals and before Israel and how it brought their faces to the floor). Im not saying they are or arent, Im just saying the video evidence isnt enough since all the healings are subjective in that there is no obvious malady present, only a reported internal problem by the person supposedly healed. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) Now that says to me that maybe those people throwing charlatan accusations had best be careful how they choose to voice their skepticism because if this is the work of the Holy Spirit, and I believe it is, then you are in a lot of trouble. Im really excited about God doing miracles in EvangelismBut like someone else already pointed out: Shouldnt one also combine these Healings with the Gospel of Repentance? I would like to read the entire book. 3. sign me up. aberrant, abnormal, addlepated, flaky; extraordinary, fantastic (also fantastical), freak, freakish, freaky, phantasmagoric (or phantasmagorical), phenomenal; atypical, rare, singular, uncommon, uncustomary, unique, unusual, unwonted; conspicuous, notable, noticeable, outstanding, prominent, salient, striking; atrocious, outrageous, shocking; crotchety, idiosyncratic, nonconformist, nonmainstream, out-there, unconventional, unorthodox; baffling, bewildering, confounding, mystifying, perplexing, puzzling, Near Antonyms Let us not forget Mathew 7:22-23, which everyone seems to be conveniently ignoring. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. See what Chas351 wrote about how Jesus responded to those who wanted to make him into something, He wisely fled temptation. Most interpret that to be saying that they will say that they themselves are Christ, but I do not believe that is what it is saying. Discerning the World 2008 - 2022. You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. These two are Gods fool proof acid tests . everything. It is unwarranted accusation and nit-picking. I can understand that. Person will mostly manifest a demon (Satan has to put on a show after all). That is the way the Pharisees operated with Jesus. Go Torben . Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. CBN News has learned that Danish evangelist Torben Sndergaard, who was taken into custody June 30th in Florida while awaiting a decision on a pending asylum application with the U.S. government, was arrested by an FBI agent with the Joint Terrorism Task Force and told the arrest was for gun smuggling, even though Sndergaard was never charged for that. spread the word! ! Or has it being ongoing amongst everyday people since He was sent to indwell those whom God draws to Himself..? . Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. Mat 21:25 The baptismG908of John,whencewas it? And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Han er stifter og talsperson for "The Last Reformation" med titusindvis af flgere. Ive been porn and masturbation free from that very day. Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. I believe in the Power of the Lord to do miracles. Rather than deal with this in a respectable and honest manner, all that happens is people resort to name calling, ridicule, and saying that just because multitudes of people believe it, therefore it must be true. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, Listen, I can only tell you about someone that really has raised the dead and dying by the power of Yeshua. Family that arrived later on had a hard time locating him because the hospital administration had no record of him being there. I am also sad to report that I knew a man whose wife was dying of cancer. 2:11. Friends are expressing dismay that a Danish man who works tirelessly spreading the gospel around the world has been arrested in America over charges of smuggling arms from Mexico into America. Seeking these bizzare and esoteric psychotic manifestations AS SPIRITUAL AND SIGNS OF THE HOLY SPIRITS PRESENCE AND APPROVAL. Synonym Discussion of WEIRD Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. JeffM, I never called anyone a liar, nor did I say these people werent healed. Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? When I read where Moses went up and God wrote the words on the tablets, and came back down the mountain, I find that those stones were written on sapphire. Praise the Lord! Trending. Another thought in regard to your important statement `the simplicity of Christ,` is that it leads us to focussing on the `true,` as Andrew Strom has encouraged us to do. 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Matthew 7: Thanks for sharing that on Revelation Chas351, that is something I need to take a look atalready saved to my computer! Averyl, I also missed Randall & his posts. In the NT, Jesus is dealing with 1 demoniac at a time.in one instance (the herd of pigs incident) there were 2 demoniacs. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? What was the PURPOSE of these MANIFESTATIONS? A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. Because they have slowly over time been taught and have become habituated to WIERDSVILLE . Its time to do an article on this guy. The simplicity, the sincerity & humbleness is so refreshing to see. I suggest that this same method (seek God, fast, pray for Truth) used by these preachers be used TODAY to come to the TRUTH FROM GOD HIMSELF AND TO HELP OUR UNBELIEF. Look at all the healings in the NT. Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. Christ is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally & judicially qualified to uphold & maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom, & the work of God. It is in our HEART how we treat the things of God but that is what repentance is for, and growth. Firstly I can vouch for Torbens integrity also, having lived in Denmark and hearing good reports from folks that know him that I respect there. Jesus shows us TRUE FAITH. My point is that I think it disappointing when someone wants to genuinely and biblically, test the spirits, and they are met with personal attacks rather than answering the genuine questions that are being raised. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Since the Todd Bentley debacle and other waves of Charis- This has been an old staple of magicians and phony faith healers for a very long time. Dont put yourself in the same category of those who want to justify the legitimacy of something by the numbers of people who follow it. On the Last Reformation website, it is stated, "We believe that the church is facing a new reformation." Specifically, A reformation that will go deeper than any reformation before: away from church traditions, suffocating structures and countless meetings in church buildings. When the Lord God does a work it is holy.and we should be in awe enough to not handle it with our hands of flesh and make an idol of it, much less glory in it. I think for me the times when I am like the disciples who were arguing I personally have been most apt to get into debate about this issue is when I am not in the game as much as I would like to be . Here is a link to his youtube page:https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist. So, you may now attack the truth once again. Seymour replied, Im just upset because you have the wooden leg on. Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. My email is jmesfjarjou@yahoo.com in case you dont want yours to be public you can send me directly if that is ok with you. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. Jonathan you said This video and your words have brought me to tears..tears of joy, excitement, and thanksgiving to Almighty God. manifestations of Creation into a Whole Why Jews Support Black Causes Interview With Kevin April 19th, 2019 - 237 Comments Brother Nathanael December 29 2009 6 53 pm Dear Real Zionist News Family I am actually totally exhausted from working on this interview Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. ! As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. If water was able to wash away sins, we would have had no need of Jesus becoming flesh, of his cross, and of his blood. The gifts that are doled out 1 to each person is responsible for themselves 14:4... See if it is in our heart how We treat the things of God but is. 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