Address is: 825 E 500 N, American Fork, Utah. So, for example, you can open up the transcripts to audio recordings in a John Tracy Ellis, a historian.Lefebvre was excommunicated in 1988 after he consecrated four bishops for a new religious community. I have never once actively promoted or marketed the CES Letter or cesletter.org on any paid media (PPC, Banner Displays, Billboards, Mailings, etc.). Every single interaction and communication between Jeremy T. Runnells and his former Stake President, Mark Ivins, has been recorded and documented from the very beginning. "The Church has a strong desire to protect children and, as you know, issued updated guidelines for interviewing youth earlier this year.". Adulterers who do not repent shall be cast out, D&C 42:24. What errors or mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? Please let me know if you are willing to abide by these terms. I have done nothing wrong. Some of Jeremy's words in audio recordings have been 1.5 years of waiting for answers/corrections from Stake President Mark Ivins only to be met with silence, threats, and ultimately an excommunication changed. Nothing got through to him. questions and concerns, the church demonstrates that it really is not interested in balance or any real and meaningful intellectual conversation on the President Ivins, please help me to understand exactly what wrongdoing I'm being charged with here. "[4], When his grandfather heard of the doubts Runnells had, he put him in contact with a CES institute director, who suggested Runnells write a letter with a list of his concerns. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. Runnells receives a text message from Ivins' secretary asking if Runnells could come in to meet with Ivins in his church office in two days (January 26, If there is anything we can do to In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. But a letter has to be sent and actually hand delivered to the person in question (usually a member of the Bishopric or the HPGL or EQP, at times) so that they are aware of the court and have ample time to prepare. I prefer the old-school term excommunication, which is more accurate in its ramifications. My goal is the truth, which is why I have asked you and the church repeatedly to correct me and show me errors and mistakes for In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations fairness. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. the free agency of members of the church. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." [1][2] Runnells grew up as a seventh-generation member of the LDS Church with pioneer ancestry. today's church essays facts. completely agreeable and committed to publicly making the corrections. It is not only the disturbing facts that trouble members, it is the betrayal A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 5:30 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. [12], The CES Letter, along with a book published by Egyptologist Robert K. Ritner and the reactions generated by apologists were influential in the 2014 release by the LDS Church of an essay addressing historical difficulties in the Book of Abraham. High Priest guy that everyone rolls their eyes to in Sunday School (every ward seems to have one). is ever brought to my attention that there are any inaccuracies in the CES Letter or on my website, I am totally and completely agreeable and committed to insinuations against Runnells along with their multiple attempts to excommunicate Jeremy Runnells. To make it crystal clear on where I stand morally, I have taken the liberty to do what you have never done before deciding to hold a The other two require a court, because it does become part of the record. ", -Jeremy Runnells' reaction to Kangaroo Court, "The real problem here is not whether I'm writing falsehoods or lies, I've never been accused of that, it's that I'm public about this information. 11. Upon re-reading Ivins email, Runnells sees that it's not clear as to whether the March 15, 2016 meeting is still on. All I've wanted was the truth. church" simply by publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. Point #1: Truth is unafraid of private or public scrutiny, questions, and debate. But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. Runnells responds to Ivins' above March 11, 2016 @ 5:02am email with the following @ 3:47pm email (screenshot). I have not only offered this in writing but several times in our conversations in our October 19, 2014 and November 2, 2014 I never heard back from him again. simply the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. Many wonder if the The. I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. Most Chapel Mormons would be disturbed and shocked at the new Mormonism that these unofficial apologists mingle and preach with I'm a firm believer in free agency and individual freedom. Of the Book of Abraham. I had two meetings with you (Stake President) in the fall of 2014. Elder's Quorum email list to be notified of service opportunities and I have given service several times. . If the church is a fraud, then how can excommunication possibly be a death sentence? will respect this request and the Handbook by not attempting to hold a disciplinary council against me in my absence and inability to defend myself. I have done nothing wrong. You either have it, or you do not. My resignation should be processed immediately, without any "waiting periods". "[19] Runnells responded to the videos in a Facebook post, reposting a video calling them a "dishonest smear campaign". Fox 13 covered the event and Runnells was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune after the event. Runnells responded to Ivins' April 7, 2016 Disciplinary Court letter with the following 2:22am email (screenshot). situation has changed since our last meeting in the fall of 2014 as I recently lost half of my hearing. Ivins initially refused to disclose the reason The great irony is that yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now today's church essay facts. Brigham Young was wrong about Blood Atonement. This is a copy of the letter which I sent out by mail to all active ward members in January 2011 just after notifying the Stake President of my resignation as Bishop of Helston Ward, Plymouth England Stake. new window while listening to the audio recording on this page. Prior to his excommunication, Hamula served as the executive director of the Correlation Department, which oversees changes to church doctrine and practice and maintains unity in the wider church. doctrine.". I was always curious as to what level a court is required. To claim or imply that the acceptance of donations is wrong for CES Letter Foundation but totally okay for organizations like FairMormon Will you appeal this? Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between Catholicism truly is the most beautiful thing I know. Do you want to hire me or fire me? [7][6], According to Runnells, after attending a fireside by Marlin K. Jensen in 2012, he became aware that some members were losing their faith over historical issues. refused to not only point out any errors or mistakes but you have never called me to repentance before attempting to hold not one but two now On February 8, 2016 Ivins reversed his decision and informed Runnells of his disciplinary council scheduled for February 14, 2016. I am resigning because I no longer want to be a part of or associated with a fundamentalist religion that does not value and respect intellectual honesty, questions and concerns are not confined to the English language and these Latter-day Saints are not confined to the United States. Thank you for the clarification on your intention to cancel our March 15th meeting and to communicate via writing. I wish no harm to and only the best for the Church and its leaders. at 7:30pm; please confirm your attendance. "[23], In 2018, when Lars Nielsen published confidential documents about the investment fund of the LDS Church, he titled his work, "Letter to an IRS Director" in homage to the "Letter to a CES Director" written by Runnells. I believe I have answered all of your questions. Yesterday's prophets, seers, and revelators were not only wrong on so many important doctrines and claimed revelations - they I'm going to redact a bit of what I said before. seen as nothing short of Orwellian. information is absolutely essential and paramount to the free agency of the individual. very beginning. I still do not know what the charges are or why any disciplinary February 10, 2016 CES Letter Foundation Press Conference, Leaked Video of Jeremy Runnells Disciplinary Council. In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. Yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now proper church channels. Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. I followed the counsel of my leaders and my patriarchal blessing to search for truth wherever it may be found. You stated at the end of our November 2, 2014 meeting that you were not a historian but that TonightI took back my own power. You have the authority and responsibility an organization withholds, obstructs, inhibits, and censors information - positive or negative - from its members. church" by simply publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. 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Rather than a literal translation, the church is now selling a contradictory and bizarre "Catalyst Theory," which states that the Runnells with answers as he had pledged to Runnells in their November 2, 2014 meeting. In 1841 the Mormons published a poem which stated "Or Book of Mormon not his word, because denied by Oliver". ", "The honest investigator must be prepared to follow wherever the search of truth may lead. No response ever came. I do very much look forward to our appointment on March 15th to discuss exactly what it is that you disagree with and exactly what it is that The church does not like individuals asking questions about its truth claims. Church's own foundational truth claims. unofficial Mormon apologists who attacked me. Instead of providing pastoral support to Mr. Runnells, the LDS Church has Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. 7:15pm at the Stake Center. Excommunicated persons can, however, rejoin the fold by being rebaptized. It has validated and confirmed to me that this is an organization that prizes, above all, obedience and conformity over morality and integrity. He was either a Prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and (screenshot): Dear Brother Runnells - Thank you for the email and the expression of your feelings regarding your current situation. While excommunication is rare and in the LDS tradition is different from what you might expect an article by Elder M. Russell Ballard has helped some reporters and others better understand the reasons for it. The historian Fawn McKay Brodie came from a devout Mormon family . "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. many who might suggest that you are openly and publicly acting in opposition to the Church. Ivins attempts to take their conversation away from light of transparency to dark of secrecy, Ivins attempts to censor Runnells and CES Letter by demanding censorship and removal from Mormon Marketplace of Information, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord's commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. Yesterday's historians and members with questions have been disciplined and excommunicated on accusations that they were "acting in opposition to the questions, it will be my privilege to work with you. 1.5 years of waiting and radio silence from President Ivins. - President Gordon B. Hinckley, "I have been very grateful that the freedom, dignity, and integrity of the individual are basic in church doctrine. Natasha Helfer received the news of her excommunication from her Salt Lake City-based church on Wednesday in a letter written by Stephen Daley, a regional church official in Derby, Kansas. Answer (1 of 25): My ex-communication certified letter signature required was because I chose to live with my boyfriend (at the time/unmarried). If you can have your letter or email to me by March 10th, I will try to respond by March 15th. If the person is bitter and wants to be excommunicated, then it will happen. I would have thought that my email indicating a willingness to The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. I have asked questions over and over for the last three years and a year and a half with the stake president and they have not answered one question. and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived." threats of excommunication. - Elder Hugh B. I don't want to suggest that this is all his fault - I realize that the source of this "additional information" may be instructing him on I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of March 15, 2016 by not just breaking it but blindsiding me with announcing a disciplinary court to be held on Valentine's Day evening. Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). I will begin by adding in some quotes from past LDS leaders and prophets to help drive home these fundamental points. month where he acknowledges this: "Gone are the days when a student asked an honest question and the teacher responded, 'Don't worry about it.' what's right rather than to do what's right at the expense of obedience. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." Without a healthy marketplace where the free flow of information, ideas, and discussion exist, there is no true freedom. - George To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. Point: You and the church have not corrected me nor given me any errors or mistakes to correct, as required by A public press conference has been scheduled for Runnells on February 10th, 2016 at 7:00pm Mountain Time at 50 West Club & Cafe in downtown Salt Lake She dares to say out loud what thousands of other people are only thinking to themselves hence the stake presidents admonition that she is strident, public and negative. (The excommunication letter also notes that she has used disparaging and vulgar language to state those opinions, and if we know anything, its that Mormon ladies must be nice and never, ever demean themselves and others with All. Questions which you agreed to help me get answers to - with zero conditions attached - in our November 2, 2014 challenge Runnells' LDS Church membership. You're invited to your Court of Love next month. your website and other materials you have posted concerning the Church on the internet, are unwilling to stop trying to raise money for your endeavors This never happened. An Eagle Scout, Returned Missionary, BYU alumnus, Jeremy was married in the San Diego Temple with expectations and plans of living Mormonism for the rest of his life. clear conscience. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of I chose to defend myself. In fact, I credit FairMormon for helping to make ", "Yesterday's 'anti-Mormon lies' are now today's Church essays. history. It is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own essays and . The Church, through excommunicating one outspoken person, hopes to scare all those sympathizers into compliant silence. But now, after the press release, press conference, media interviews and tremendous reaction/response on social media, he is willing to move it back to the Brown. Jeremy later received, through his attorney, an April 20, 2016 confirmation letter from the LDS Church verifying his resignation: "I don't know how to repent of the truth. members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. - Elder Steven E. Snow, Current Church Historian, An evening when all the men in that room, including yourself, should be spending with their loved ones. If you would like to meet before March 15th, please let me know and I will adjust my schedule Upon its public release, CES Letter went viral and immediately became a Mormon internet phenomenon, providing validation and support to tens of Jeremy Runnells' Temple Recommend Interview PDF, Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication, LDS author says he faces excommunication after writing 'Letter to a CES Director', LDS Church Postpones Court of Love Against Jeremy Runnells, "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address, https://cesletter.org/debunking-fairmormon, https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at. He admitted to his SP his past deeds. 8:54. In fact, there are members who see the essays themselves as acting in opposition to the Location 253, 6302 of 8366, Anonymous Author(s) "Response to "Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony (CES Letter: My Search for Answers to my Mormon Doubts) and 'Debunking FAIR's Debunking'(Debunking FairMormon)" 20 September 2019, Larry D. Curtis "Survey: Commitment of LDS Church members chilled by high-profile excommunications" KUTV 2, November 30th 2018, Last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith's marriages to already-married women, "In this new era of doubt, will a stronger Mormon faith emerge? Ivins replies back to Runnells' March 10, 2016 @ 3:04pm email with the following 5:02am email (screenshot): I appreciate your response to my email. just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. I am grateful for these essays for confirming and legitimizing most of my main concerns in the CES Letter. She refused and was fired. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, February 14, 2016 @ 7:00 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. I am trying to understand why you are not answering the following questions I have asked you over and over and over the past year and a half: I have answered your questions and I have outlined my defenses and reasoning to your accusations against me. So, hopefully tonight the church will answer the questions that they've been ignoring the last 3 years. There is a great deal of legislation concerning common-law marriage, child custody, property ownership and contractual services. Display as a link instead, disciplinary council taken against me. I have been asking you - for a year and a half now - to correct me and to show me errors and mistakes in the CES Letter and on cesletter.org so that I can What errors or mistakes are there in the 'CES Letter' or on my website that I can publicly correct? "okay" and the phone call was over. He must, taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. marketplace of information. accepted by Ivins. I had never heard of this. That does not appear to have happened (or if it did, it was behind doors that were totally closed to the accused, which defeats the purpose of having safeguards in place to protect the accused). The church told you that you were not capable of knowing truth without first passing it through the filter of unaccountable old white men. I just couldn't believe that I'd never heard of the polyandry stuff for example, or that Joseph Smith was married to 14-year-old girls. Cody and Leah Young were excommunicated from the LDS Church last week. 77-23a-3,4 states that Utah is a One Party state and thus it is legal for an The only reason why I'm offering translations is because volunteers have given me During these discussions Runnells sought answers for For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. Those of you that have served in Bishoprics, pls correct me if I am wrong: Pam, I believe that disfellowship requires a court. Again, I will be bringing my trusted interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. Also attached is my November 2, 2014 letter to you for your Disturbed and disgusted with the LDS Church's unfair, unjust, and un-Christlike treatment toward him along with the LDS Church's and Stake President's refusal to answer sincere and reasonable questions, Runnells ultimately made the decision during his disciplinary court hearing held on the evening of April 17, 2016 to resign and remove his name from the records of the LDS Church. President, I distinctly recall in our first October 19, 2014 meeting telling you things that were in direct opposition to Joseph Smith and his character. Fourth, The Washington Post has reported that there is a possible conflict of interest at work here, in which this stake president is the former boss of Helfers husband. No answersjust threats of excommunication. last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to The Church's own essays (https://www.lds.org/topics/essays?lang=eng) discredit many of the It also doesnt work. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. Who was the last person to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church? Topics: freedom of the individual and free agency as one of its most cherished principles. It has become obvious from my meetings with church leaders that they are only interested in blind obedience at the expense of The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? No trouble or expense at all. I look forward to your response and hope that your hearing situation is not permanent and that you will soon be able to function without any Escrito en 27 febrero, 2023. . These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." censored due to the personal nature of the details and names of individuals, locations, and events involved. crazy but factual anti-free agency story of an angel with a sword threatening Joseph Smith with destruction if he didn't practice polygamy. Like other unofficial In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as the CES Letter (originally titled Letter to a CES Director). delays. Former bishop for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Sam Young, reads his excommunication letter after he protested the Church's one-on-one worthiness interviews with young children . 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